he's calling for a big, big compromise at this point. but let me ask you about what bipartisan folks like bowles, alan simpson, the center for responsible federal budget. i mean they're saying there's simply no way to get at this huge $14 trillion debt just on the spending side, that you have to go after revenues to get to that number. >> i think there's really two parts to that, judy. one is to reduce the overall business tax rate hopefully to make us more competitive globally. as i read president clinton reiterated today just makes sense if it's cheaper to do business here in the united stat, then jobs will be created here. if it's cheaper to keep that cash and to create jobs abroad, that's what businesses will do because it makes economic sense. but again i think the last thing i would think you would want to do when the recovery is is so anemic and when the private sector is sort of sitting on the side lines because they don't know what the costs of doing business are going to be, tax rates, regulatory policy, that i think we need to